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Selecting a new SDR


By GDOBSY - Posted on 19 October 2009

Hi, Can anyone give me some advice I have been casting around for a new SDR, that I can use in several different RA projects. I've looked at the USRP, SDR 14, Perseus etc. They are all around the same price so I can discount that, it's the backup and development which will make me decide, so any advice/views would be great.

Hello,

The SDR most discussed within SARA is the SuperSID receiver. This is a sound card input device, and the SuperSID is usually used in a specialized way -- to monitor ionospheric responses to solar inputs. There isn't much discussion about using it for other applications.

 

A wider-spectrum SDR that a lot of people are enjoying, and that is still low cost is the rf-dongle or fundongle. This is a USB dongle that still uses the sound card so still has a low bandwidth. There are a lot of applications in communications, and a lot of interest. It's a preassembled plug-in device.

 

The UHFSDR is a more professional device but it appears difficult to buy units, parts kits, etc. Like the fundongle, it is useful in RF communications, and has more amateur radio applications.

 

The USRP (by Ettus) at maybe $1500-2000 and RFSpace devices at maybe $1000 have more capability and applications development.  They are not in my price range.  The success of any SDR to radio astronomers will be determined by availiblty and quality of the device and the documentation. 

 

One of the talks at the 2011 SARA conference will be about RASDR (Radio Astronomy Software Defined Receiver) which should be very useful to amateur astronomers. The design goals are to be a wide-spectrum, wide-bandwidth, low cost device with good documentation.  Several of us are working toward implimenting a useful design of the RASDR that incorporates these goals.  We are tracking some of the progress on our Yahoo group, "rf-sampler" and anyone interested is invited to join.  We are moving ahead in the design phase and would welcome your involvement in the development.

 

73,

David Fields

 

David & other SARA folk:
I attended the SARA Green Bank meeting in June as someone who was interested in introducing a measurement of the H I galactic emission into an advanced physics lab for undergraduates. We are currently using some combination of equipment that was designed by the Haystack SRT project. That stuff is in very marginal condition and it would be nice to see an evolution path that would guarantee continued use. I understood that a number of you were involved in the RASDR project to design a generic receiver that would be useful in this context. I am wondering what the present status is and when it might provide an accessible design.

Thanks,

Carl Akerlof
cakerlof@umich.edu

Carl, Good to hear from you, and good to hear your interest (in this note, and your later ones). Congrats on your progress with the SRT. There are a lot of people struggling with these things. We are still pushing the technical possibilities and seeing what we can do. I think that you are getting the idea of what some of our challenges are, and our difficulties. Our development of ideas and how to work with no budget has led us along several paths -- this becomes a multidimensional array, and a good summary is our most recent (June, 2011) writeup at rf-sampler (a yahoo group that I hope you'l join). First the budget part, and this will just consider hardware, not the software part or everybody's donation of time: One zero dollar cost path was my begging parts from TI and Paul's pulling stuff from his project bin/workbench. This is going along well. A second path is gradually pulling parts together for a circular polarization radio astronomy experiments in the LF/VLF spectrum, based on ideas I discussed at the SARA conference. A third path, very important, may be that we all work through SARA to purchase parts for the RFSDR. A fourth path may be to get some investors who will benefit from the ultimate product, and who will throw some seed money into the pot. The RASDR project technical progress is being pursued in 3 phases. Basically, we started with an ambitious project that would use an FPGA board of our design. Early investigation led to our designating this as Phase 2. Phase 2 will be high speed -- a very hot receiver. More immediately, Phase 0 will center on a Lime Micro advanced chip (cost $65) on a board of our design and a USB 2.0 interface board (cost under $100); Phase 1 will be something with an FPGA, but not optimized. We got very active for the SARA June meeting, and MUST do this again in preparation for our Oct. 22 SARA regional meeting near Knoxville. Please see radio-astronomy.org on the home page and click the "regional meeting" to get the call for papers. I hope you'll come. See our SARA paper (in the proceedings, presented by Paul Oxley, and included in files at the rf-sampler yahoo group) for our original concept, which has become Phase 2, and some of our needs for Phases 0,1, and 2. Our first serious product will probably be Phase 0 (needed to do the engineering: one Lime Micro board and one USB interface board). Phase 0 is a most important step which we need to begin immediately. We need to work through SARA or get buy-in from serious amateur astronomers to fund purchase of the two needed boards. "When??, you ask. Please give us a few days to try to answer that. David Fields

What is the current state of the RASDR project? Any anticipated completion date of a working prototype? And finally, planned date for having something available for experimenters? Jon Petrescu